<div dir="ltr">Hi ExCOM Members, Barrack,<div>Do we consider ourselves to be unresponsive if we first wait for ICANN's response to the CENTR Board on the clarifications requested?</div><div>Regards,</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><b><i>RAFT</i></b></div><div dir="ltr"><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 20 juin 2022 à 13:48, Angela Matlapeng <<a href="mailto:matlapeng@bocra.org.bw">matlapeng@bocra.org.bw</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt">It wouldn’t harm to back CENTR’s response but I believe this was EU specific and since CENTR has addressed it, it shouldn’t be worrisome if we do not write as AfTLD.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11pt;color:black">Warm Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:barrack@aftld.org" target="_blank">barrack@aftld.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 20 June 2022 at 08:13<br>
<b>To: </b>Alex Corenthin <<a href="mailto:alex.corenthin@nic.sn" target="_blank">alex.corenthin@nic.sn</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Angela Matlapeng <<a href="mailto:matlapeng@bocra.org.bw" target="_blank">matlapeng@bocra.org.bw</a>>, AfTLD Excom <<a href="mailto:excom@aftld.org" target="_blank">excom@aftld.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Excom] [ccnso-council] CENTR Board letter to ICANN<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Dear Dr. Alex,<br>
<br>
Many thanks for your email. I wonder if other EXCOM members think it <br>
will be a good idea to write to ICANN the way CENTR did?<br>
<br>
Best Regards<br>
<br>
On 2022-06-15 13:13, Alex Corenthin wrote:<br>
> +1 angela ..<br>
> Your Contribution is very relevant and in line with the situation of<br>
> registries and the role that cctlds should play in Africa …The<br>
> confusion between ccTLD and GTLD’s<br>
> <br>
> I have made a french translation, and i believe it can be a common<br>
> statement from @AfTLD<br>
> <br>
> == FR ===<br>
> <br>
> Cher Barrack, merci pour ces informations.<br>
> <br>
> Je ne pense pas que les ccTLD feraient bien d'être gouvernés comme<br>
> les gTLD et imposer des politiques nationales n'est pas idéal.<br>
> Encouragez plutôt les gouvernements à reconnaître les ccTLD dans<br>
> leurs politiques nationales, et même à subventionner et à soutenir<br>
> la gestion des ccTLD. Pour les gouvernements dotés de lois sur la<br>
> protection des données qui ont des obligations en matière<br>
> d'exactitude des données, le commissaire DPA concerné doit<br>
> travailler avec les registres et être encouragé à adopter des<br>
> moyens d'assurer l'exactitude des données du titulaire.<br>
> <br>
> Ce avec quoi je semble être d'accord à propos du NIST2, c'est que<br>
> les pays devraient déclarer/reconnaître les ccTLD en tant<br>
> qu'infrastructures critiques. Dans mon pays, par exemple, tout ce qui<br>
> est considéré comme une infrastructure nationale d'information<br>
> critique est traité en priorité, notamment en assurant la<br>
> continuité, la stabilité et la sécurité de cette infrastructure.<br>
> Le rôle de l'unité de cybersécurité comprend la lutte contre la<br>
> cybercriminalité perpétrée via le DNS ou sur le DNS.<br>
> <br>
> Ce modèle n'est pas le seul à contourner. Les ccTLD peuvent<br>
> collaborer avec les CIRT nationaux sans avoir recours à des mesures<br>
> d'application strictes et à une supervision rigoureuse. Dans notre<br>
> cas où il n'y a pas de loi sur la cybersécurité, la sensibilisation<br>
> à la cybersécurité a donné plus de résultats en obligeant les<br>
> organisations détenant des informations critiques à se conformer. De<br>
> plus, nous avons été en mesure de lutter contre la cybercriminalité<br>
> grâce à des politiques ccTLD qui reconnaissent également<br>
> l'utilisation abusive du DNS sous la forme d'abus de contenu ainsi que<br>
> les infractions à la propriété intellectuelle qui ne relèvent<br>
> actuellement pas de la compétence de l'ICANN.<br>
> <br>
> Dans l'état actuel des choses, les actes liés à la<br>
> cybercriminalité et à l'informatique, les actes de criminalité<br>
> financière et d'autres actes mentionnant la cybercriminalité<br>
> élaborés par les États membres comportent déjà des sanctions et<br>
> avoir des sanctions supplémentaires pour moi serait contre-productif<br>
> ; La collaboration et la coopération sont essentielles pour atteindre<br>
> la cyber-résilience et, le cas échéant, l'harmonisation pourrait<br>
> également aider, et pour y parvenir, les responsables de la<br>
> cybersécurité doivent sensibiliser toutes les parties prenantes<br>
> concernées à l'importance de disposer de capacités de<br>
> cybersécurité, et non d'imposer.<br>
> <br>
> Ms. Angela Matlapeng (.BW)<br>
> <br>
> Alex Corenthin<br>
> <br>
> Responsable Technique NIC Sénégal (<a href="http://www.nicsenegal.sn" target="_blank">www.nicsenegal.sn</a> [10])<br>
> Centre Universitaire de Recherche et de Formation aux technologies de<br>
> l’Internet (<a href="http://www.curi.sn" target="_blank">www.curi.sn</a> [11])<br>
> Université Cheikh Anta Diop de Dakar (<a href="http://www.ucad.sn" target="_blank">www.ucad.sn</a> [12])<br>
> BP 16370 Dakar-Fann (Senegal)<br>
> Tel : +221 338219190 / 776317776<br>
> <br>
>> Le 14 juin 2022 à 08:17, Angela Matlapeng <<a href="mailto:matlapeng@bocra.org.bw" target="_blank">matlapeng@bocra.org.bw</a>><br>
>> a écrit :<br>
>> <br>
>> Dear Barrack, thank you for this information.<br>
>> <br>
>> I do not think ccTLDs would do good being governed like gTLDs and<br>
>> imposing national policies is not ideal. Rather encourage<br>
>> Governments to recognize ccTLDs in their National policies, and even<br>
>> subsidise and support the running of ccTLDs. For those Governments<br>
>> with Data Protection Acts which have data accuracy obligations, the<br>
>> relevant DPA Commissioner needs to work with Registries and<br>
>> encouraged to adopt ways of ensuring accuracy of Registrant data.<br>
>> <br>
>> What I seem to agree with about the NIST2 is that countries should<br>
>> declare/recognize ccTLDs as Critical Infrastructure. In my country<br>
>> for instance, anything deemed as National Critical Information<br>
>> Infrastructure is treated with priority including ensuring its<br>
>> continuity, stability, and security of that infrastructure. The<br>
>> cybersecurity unit’s role includes dealing with cybercrime<br>
>> perpetuated through the DNS or on the DNS.<br>
>> <br>
>> This model isn’t the only work around. ccTLDs can collaborate with<br>
>> National CIRTs without using strict enforcements and stringent<br>
>> supervision. In our case where there is absence of a Cybersecurity<br>
>> Law, cybersecurity awareness has yielded more results in having<br>
>> organizations with critical information comply. Additionally, we<br>
>> have been able to deal with cybercrime through ccTLD policies that<br>
>> also recognize DNS Abuse in the form of content abuse as well as IP<br>
>> infringements which are currently not ICANN’s remit.<br>
>> <br>
>> As it is, cybercrime and computer related acts, financial crime<br>
>> acts, and other acts that mention cybercrime developed by Member<br>
>> states already have penalties and to have additional sanctions for<br>
>> me, would be counterproductive; Collaboration and cooperation key to<br>
>> achieving cyber resilience, and where need-be, harmonization could<br>
>> help as well, and to achieve this, those in charge of cybersecurity<br>
>> need to make all relevant stakeholders aware of the importance of<br>
>> having cybersecurity capabilities, not impose.<br>
>> <br>
>> Warm Regards,<br>
>> <br>
>> Ms. Angela Matlapeng<br>
>> <br>
>> From: EXCOM <<a href="mailto:excom-bounces@aftld.org" target="_blank">excom-bounces@aftld.org</a>> on behalf of <a href="mailto:barrack@aftld.org" target="_blank">barrack@aftld.org</a><br>
>> <<a href="mailto:barrack@aftld.org" target="_blank">barrack@aftld.org</a>><br>
>> Date: Thursday, 09 June 2022 at 10:49<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:excom@aftld.org" target="_blank">excom@aftld.org</a> <<a href="mailto:excom@aftld.org" target="_blank">excom@aftld.org</a>><br>
>> Subject: [Excom] Fwd: Re: [ccnso-council] CENTR Board letter to<br>
>> ICANN<br>
>> Dear EXCOM,<br>
>> <br>
>> What are your thoughts on this matter?<br>
>> <br>
>> Regards<br>
>> <br>
>> -------- Original Message --------<br>
>> Subject: Re: [ccnso-council] CENTR Board letter to ICANN<br>
>> Date: 2022-06-08 15:02<br>
>> From: Peter Van Roste via Ccnso-council <<a href="mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org" target="_blank">ccnso-council@icann.org</a>><br>
>> To: Nick Wenban-Smith <<a href="mailto:Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk" target="_blank">Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk</a>>,<br>
>> "<a href="mailto:ccNSO-Council@icann.org" target="_blank">ccNSO-Council@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:ccnso-council@icann.org" target="_blank">ccnso-council@icann.org</a>><br>
>> Reply-To: Peter Van Roste <<a href="mailto:peter@centr.org" target="_blank">peter@centr.org</a>><br>
>> <br>
>> Hi Nick,<br>
>> <br>
>> Thanks for forwarding.<br>
>> <br>
>> Luckily, this seems to be a EU specific issue.<br>
>> <br>
>> However, if there is an interest, I'd be happy to summarise at the<br>
>> next<br>
>> call or answer any individual questions people may have in the<br>
>> meantime.<br>
>> <br>
>> Hope to see many of you in The Hague!<br>
>> <br>
>> Peter<br>
>> <br>
>> Van: Ccnso-council <<a href="mailto:ccnso-council-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ccnso-council-bounces@icann.org</a>> Namens Nick<br>
>> Wenban-Smith via Ccnso-council<br>
>> Verzonden: dinsdag 7 juni 2022 18:30<br>
>> Aan: <a href="mailto:ccNSO-Council@icann.org" target="_blank">ccNSO-Council@icann.org</a><br>
>> Onderwerp: [ccnso-council] FW: CENTR Board letter to ICANN<br>
>> <br>
>> FYI, is this something that could be discussed under AOB at council<br>
>> next<br>
>> week perhaps?<br>
>> <br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:fm-request@centrlists.org" target="_blank">fm-request@centrlists.org</a> <<a href="mailto:fm-request@centrlists.org" target="_blank">fm-request@centrlists.org</a>> On<br>
>> Behalf Of<br>
>> Peter Van Roste<br>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 11:58 AM<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:fm@centrlists.org" target="_blank">fm@centrlists.org</a><br>
>> Cc: <a href="mailto:leaders@centrlists.org" target="_blank">leaders@centrlists.org</a><br>
>> Subject: [centr-fm] CENTR Board letter to ICANN<br>
>> <br>
>> Hi Everyone,<br>
>> <br>
>> As mentioned in a previous email, a Member had signalled that ICANN<br>
>> had<br>
>> reached out to European governments in the context of the NIS2<br>
>> negotiations.<br>
>> <br>
>> In that exchange, ICANN suggested that governments apply<br>
>> internationally<br>
>> approved policies and procedures on their national ccTLD.<br>
>> <br>
>> If successful, this outreach would result in ccTLDs having to abide<br>
>> by<br>
>> rules developed for gTLDs.<br>
>> <br>
>> Feedback from Members indicated that this was indeed not a<br>
>> stand-alone<br>
>> case.<br>
>> <br>
>> Wording I've seen, included indeed the encouragement for governments<br>
>> to<br>
>> establish internationally agreed policies regarding registrant data<br>
>> for<br>
>> ccTLDs.<br>
>> <br>
>> As many expressed during the Jamboree, this is worrisome and we need<br>
>> to<br>
>> fully understand the scope of this effort by ICANN.<br>
>> <br>
>> As a follow-up, the CENTR Board has sent a letter to the ICANN CEO<br>
>> to<br>
>> highlight this issue and request some clarifications.<br>
>> <br>
>> Full letter is attached, here are the clarifications requested:<br>
>> <br>
>> * How many European governments were approached in the context of<br>
>> this<br>
>> outreach?<br>
>> * On what grounds did ICANN suggest that governments should consider<br>
>> imposing regulation on ccTLDs?<br>
>> * How was this particular suggested amendment developed and what<br>
>> consultation process was followed?<br>
>> * On what basis does ICANN believe this specific message and related<br>
>> proactive outreach to governments is within its mandate?<br>
>> * Why did ICANN decide to advise governments on how to govern their<br>
>> national ccTLDs without consulting the ccTLD community?<br>
>> <br>
>> Most importantly, the Board asks ICANN to discuss how this issue can<br>
>> be<br>
>> avoided in the future and insists on synchronisation with the<br>
>> relevant<br>
>> ccTLD should there ever be a need for ICANN to discuss ccTLD<br>
>> regulations<br>
>> with a government.<br>
>> <br>
>> I will keep you posted of any follow-up.<br>
>> <br>
>> Best Regards,<br>
>> <br>
>> Peter<br>
>> <br>
>> Peter Van Roste<br>
>> <br>
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>> <br>
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